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-Understanding some of the legal and functional comparisons between kratom and cannabis, and if it is fair to compare the two plants with medicinal backgrounds.

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CBD and Kratom

-Understanding what CBD+Kratom products are, and why they don't offer much of a benefit and probably aren't worth the high price.
CBD and Kratom

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I really did think I was a genius. 

Well, I may still be one. I did invent the Apple Juice / Ice cream only diet. I call it the Big Creamer. You can be a Big Creamer, too, you know.

But you know what I mean, those moments of smug satisfaction, when you have an idea that you think nobody could have ever possibly had? 

Yea, it was pretty cool, this idea I thought I had. I almost matched my peak, which occurred in 3rd grade when I pulled up to some punks on my bike with training wheels and power-slid into a shallow puddle, slightly splashing the hem of their pants. 

“Sup bitches.”

Those kids learned a lesson that day. 

Some 20 years later, I have too.

Kratom and CBD

As it turns out, I was not the first person to imagine a product pairing kratom and CBD (Short for Cannabidiol). Both products have some overlap in terms of their reported effects. However, pinning down the impact of CBD can be more difficult, and thus makes the efficacy of the combination less certain.

Much of the medicinal potential attributed to kratom can be traced back to the overwhelming anecdotal evidence supplied by thousands of years of kratom use in treating various aches and pains. (Though, the science is quickly catching up

But the same cannot be said for CBD, mainly for the fact that CBD does not produce any ostensible effect. In other words, no matter how much CBD is taken, you cannot “feel” it taking effect.

This can be obfuscated by the fact that until recently, really the only way to consume CBD was tied in with its plant of origin, which is as a chemical produced by cannabis. While hemp also produces CBD, hemp production for CBD was just formally signed into law, and is a relatively recent trend in most of America. But ever since, the proliferation of CBD-only products has been rapid.

Thus, the effects of CBD, when taken alone, are somewhat unclear – though it is certain that it does not cause a high, or any immediate and noticeable effect, and thus has been granted legal status with much more ease than cannabis. But has the practice of extracting CBD independently to sell as an alternative health product been justified as worthy, and where does kratom fit in with the emergence of CBD?

The Effects of CBD

The second most prevalent compound in marijuana, CBD has unique interactions with THC. It regulates the psychoactive effects of THC, without necessarily mitigating the medicinal effects of the substance. Thus, it is effective for reducing the “high” in individuals who consume marijauna purely for the medicinal effect; this is one of the reasons that high CBD content strains like Charlotte’s Web are sought after by those suffering from diseases like cancer. 

CBD on its own does seem to have some medicinal benefits, though recent marketing pushes by the cannabis industry may be exaggerating some of the claims. It’s also possible that CBD has additional benefits we haven’t yet learned of. Furthermore, some of the effects of CBD are systemic, meaning that one dose won’t be enough to implement the change; it has to establish a certain amount in the body’s system. Some tout it as a wonder drug, and others as snake oil. As with everything else, it’s going to be somewhere in the middle.

The rigorously proven health benefits of CBD are as follows:

  • Powerful anti-seizure drug for some of the most difficult to manage and dangerous conditions that cause seizures, like Dravet Syndrome
    • The function is thought to be in reducing inflammation in the brain, which may have potential in treating other conditions
  • Studies have suggested that CBD can help alleviate Anxiety
  • Studies have suggested that CBD can aid in reducing the impact of insomnia
  • Though unproven, a preponderance of studies suggest that CBD can treat neuropathic pain and inhibit some forms of chronic inflammation
  • Some studies suggest it may be able to assist in treating PTSD
  • Some anecdotal evidence suggests that CBD may be a useful supplemental treatment in helping manage the symptoms of cancer treatments

And…that’s it.

Now, a stringent CBD advocate may just uninstall their motherboard and hack Comcast’s mainframe so they can DDOS our blog in disgust at my blasphemy. In fairness to them, there are an incredible range of anecdotal and unsubstantiated claims regarding somewhat miraculous capabilities of CBD – though, these aren’t replicable under most circumstances and have generally failed controlled testing. And, it can be said with certainty that we don’t fully understand everything about CBD yet. 

But the information above comes from Harvard and Northwestern medicine. It’s reputable. The claims that CBD cures cancer comes from user XxXBigNugz420XxX on 420Dankskunk.net. Thus, when examining the medicinal benefits of CBD, its best to take a measured approach.

CBD and Marijuana

Now consider medical marijuana. There is a wider range of approved conditions that medical marijuana treats, from everything to chronic pain to glaucoma to chronic nausea and more. There are those that insist CBD is the primary healing factor in medical marijuana, but recall that THC in and of itself is a remarkable substance; in fact, it would be fair to assess THC as an incredible healing medicinal compound with a side effect of causing inebriation. Additionally, marijuana has over 100 additional “cannabinoids” that have medicinal effects; things like THCV, CBC, CBN and CBG, with the lattermost being linked to aiding in ocular conditions, for example. 

Many of these cannabinoids need more through studies done until conclusions can be drawn, as THC is the most plentiful and seems to be the bellcow of medical marijaunas potential, but they all seem to contribute to the effects of the plant. Add in the effects of terpenes, which are natural compounds already present in a wide range of natural products, like oranges and pinecones; but terpenes have a fascinatingly unique interaction with THC and serve as a modulate to the effects. Taking into account all of these variables, one can see why it’s hard to pin down all the specifics of why medicinal cannabis is effective, and how.

Add in dozens of effects that users anecdotal claim marijuana assists with that aren’t necessarily recognized by the differing medical marijuana laws across the United States, and one can reach a working thesis. These widespread anecdotal reports can likely be attributed to some combination of cannabinoids and terpenes that have yet to be fully studied and understood. Thus, medical marijuana can best be understood as a “concert’’ effect; a wide range of compounds, many performing unique interactions with each other, all work in concert to provide the effects of medical marijauna; CBD plays some role in this, and it can be surmised that some effects that have yet to be scientifically coded and confirmed may be the result of our lacking data set in understanding these complex interactions and myriad chemicals.

What it means for Kratom

Of course, the biggest difference between kratom and marijuana is apparent; kratom does not make you “high”. In fact, you could argue the opposite, as kratom is often described as “the best cup of coffee in the world.” Comparing kratom and marijuana is simply inaccurate.

But unlike CBD, kratom does have a noticeable effect. Thus, anecdotal reports are valuable, as they are with marijuana.

While the FDA trumpets that kratom doesn’t have any medical benefits – does that sound like something they’ve said just a few years ago with anything else we’re talking about today ? – science and a plethora of anecdotal reports disagree.

Kratom has over 40 compounds – known as alkaloids – that can impact the user and offer medicinal benefits. Thus, in the same way that marijuana has a wide range of compounds that work in concern, the same case be made for kratom. While only a few kratom compounds have been extensively studied – like mitragynine – what I see is an identical scenario to medical marijuana.

Millions of users report similar effects of marijauna. The austere and draconic government refuses to listen. The public outroar becomes unstoppable, and studies commence. It turns out that these users were correct in most cases, and with each study that comes out, more anecdotal reports are given credence. 

Thus, if we have learned anything, it would be wise to extrapolate certain probabilities regarding kratom use. Centuries of anecdotal evidence have their use, as prompts for formal scientific study, and as an informed launch point for use.

CBD and Kratom

So here we are; kratom, with a long history and now better understood use, and CBD, a relatively new substance with many unknowns but decent early returns.

Is it worth it to take CBD in the first place, and are products carrying both CBD and Kratom a revolutionary concept or simply a marriage of convenience for two co-occurring populations?

Remembering, of course, that CBD must be taken consistently for days and establish a baseline in the system for its full range of effects, one has to wonder why kratom and CBD must be combined at all. None of the Kratom-CBD combo products offer much in terms of price savings from buying them separately. And at TKC, we are pretty significant advocates for avoiding 365 day use of kratom. While some chronic pain conditions force the hang of some users, many kratom users are well served taking some time off here and there, if only to keep their spending down.

And so, just like that, the benefits of CBD also disappear. 

If you like taking CBD, and you feel that it improves your health, then by all means, enjoy this innocuous substance with some proven benefit, and perhaps more. But by no means feel compelled to take it with kraton, and know that no additional benefit is derived from this pairing.

Peace and Love.


Nothing in this blog is intended to be taken as medical advice. Kratom does not cure any diseases. CBD is not proven to cure any disease. Marijuana research is limited and should not be relied upon to cure any disease. Always consult with your doctor before making any decisions regarding your health. Always follow state laws regarding substances. This blog is intended as a space to contemplate earths many interesting plants, and advocates for nothing beyond research, conjecture, and discussion.

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  1. I like them both, but together just seems like a marketing ploy- nice post

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